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Cool analysis. Some thoughts:

Did Alphastar ever get good outside PvP? Generalizing across matchups seems really hard, so I am impressed that Pluto pays that handicap. I guess because self-play requires learning all races too.

On Pluto blundering well known micro tech, I would separate micro into two categories. A lot of the stuff that makes BW mentally demanding to play, is stuff that SC2 does for you out of the box even as a human player. So if a BW bot beats a human for the first time, and an SC2 bot beats a human for the first time, you would expect the SC2 bot to have better 'techy' micro and better strategy, because its human opponent isn't bogged down with idle workers and clicking on production buildings one at a time and routing the four fragments of his deathball around each other.

On writing that last point, I suspect game balance compounds this. Players have begged for Protoss deathballs and Zerg A-moves to be nerfed as long as I remember, sheer mass beating spellcasting is anathema... But in BW sheer mass could well be optimal.

I would love to see players learning to beat Pluto's shortcomings, but I would also love to see Pluto develop even more, because it sounds quite impressive considering the 9x greater matchup number vs the Alphastar debut, big shoes to gradient descend in!

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